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		<title>By: Alien Robot Girl</title>
		<link>http://blog.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/2008/07/01/support-forums-and-netiquette/#comment-543</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Maurile

Who do you think educated Chris Masterjohn on the subject of food chemicals? Me.

Chris continues to make many statements insinuating that food chemical intolerant individuals are either a) vitamin deficient or b) genetic defectives.

I find both attitudes insulting. Especially as I know more about the subject than Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Maurile</p>
<p>Who do you think educated Chris Masterjohn on the subject of food chemicals? Me.</p>
<p>Chris continues to make many statements insinuating that food chemical intolerant individuals are either a) vitamin deficient or b) genetic defectives.</p>
<p>I find both attitudes insulting. Especially as I know more about the subject than Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: maurile</title>
		<link>http://blog.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/2008/07/01/support-forums-and-netiquette/#comment-542</link>
		<dc:creator>maurile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>porterowen mentioned Chris Masterjohn at WAPF. &lt;a href=&quot;http://westonaprice.org/bookreviews/eat-to-live.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; a passage from one of his book reviews at WAPF:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Although the inclusion of such a large quantity of unrefined and nutritious whole food is likely to dramatically improve many people’s health, it could actually hurt the health of others. Fruits and vegetables contain chemicals called salicylates which are similar to aspirin. In some people, salicylates exert a drug-like effect that mimics an allergic reaction by causing the omega-6 fatty acid, arachidonic acid, to be converted into inflammatory chemicals called leukotrienes. These chemicals in turn cause the dilation of blood vessels, the constriction of bronchial passages and the production of mucus. Salicylate intolerance can result in asthma, hives, nasal polyps, chronic swelling and gastrointestinal symptoms. Two to four percent of outpatients attending allergy clinics, two percent of those with Crohn’s disease, seven percent of those with ulcerative colitis, and fifteen to twenty percent of those who attend ear, nose and throat clinics are salicylate intolerant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So at least one guy at WAPF understands that eating a high-chemical diet isn&#039;t optimal for people with a food chemical intolerance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>porterowen mentioned Chris Masterjohn at WAPF. <a href="http://westonaprice.org/bookreviews/eat-to-live.html" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s</a> a passage from one of his book reviews at WAPF:</p>
<blockquote><p>Although the inclusion of such a large quantity of unrefined and nutritious whole food is likely to dramatically improve many people’s health, it could actually hurt the health of others. Fruits and vegetables contain chemicals called salicylates which are similar to aspirin. In some people, salicylates exert a drug-like effect that mimics an allergic reaction by causing the omega-6 fatty acid, arachidonic acid, to be converted into inflammatory chemicals called leukotrienes. These chemicals in turn cause the dilation of blood vessels, the constriction of bronchial passages and the production of mucus. Salicylate intolerance can result in asthma, hives, nasal polyps, chronic swelling and gastrointestinal symptoms. Two to four percent of outpatients attending allergy clinics, two percent of those with Crohn’s disease, seven percent of those with ulcerative colitis, and fifteen to twenty percent of those who attend ear, nose and throat clinics are salicylate intolerant.</p></blockquote>
<p>So at least one guy at WAPF understands that eating a high-chemical diet isn&#8217;t optimal for people with a food chemical intolerance.</p>
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		<title>By: piratehyde</title>
		<link>http://blog.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/2008/07/01/support-forums-and-netiquette/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>piratehyde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

Hehe I wrote that comment up there when I was feeling rather overwhealmed from working as a dietitian in a hospital for a month. I gained a great deal of understanding about the practical aspects of dietary therapy though and the limitations of the NHS. I should write about it in my currently non-exhistant blog.

LOL, my partner does computer science (I took your advice!). I think the maths would make me fall flat on my face.

For now i&#039;m trying to recover from pelvic inflammatory disease. I have no idea where I picked that up from...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Hehe I wrote that comment up there when I was feeling rather overwhealmed from working as a dietitian in a hospital for a month. I gained a great deal of understanding about the practical aspects of dietary therapy though and the limitations of the NHS. I should write about it in my currently non-exhistant blog.</p>
<p>LOL, my partner does computer science (I took your advice!). I think the maths would make me fall flat on my face.</p>
<p>For now i&#8217;m trying to recover from pelvic inflammatory disease. I have no idea where I picked that up from&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alien Robot Girl</title>
		<link>http://blog.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/2008/07/01/support-forums-and-netiquette/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>Alien Robot Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks tbonetroy! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks tbonetroy! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alien Robot Girl</title>
		<link>http://blog.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/2008/07/01/support-forums-and-netiquette/#comment-536</link>
		<dc:creator>Alien Robot Girl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Porter

I do agree that WAPF has done good work. If I did not believe that WAPF did good I never would have become a member.

Unfortunately WAPF are actively promoting harmful treatments like GAPS/SCD for individuals who have food chemical intolerance (i.e. people with ADHD and autism), and I cannot with conscience remain with the organisation.

I had hoped that by trying to spread the word to WAPF about food chemical intolerance, they would be able to help a number of their members who joined WAPF after realising their condition had something to do with food but didn&#039;t quite understand the cause of their problems.

However, despite learning about food chemical intolerance, Sally decided to go in the exact opposite direction and promote a very high chemical diet as a &quot;cure&quot; for these people, and it is making them very sick. I know, I&#039;ve been there. When I was most influenced by WAPF I was on a diet virtually identical to GAPS and I have never felt worse.

As WAPF have chosen to take this approach I feel I now have to protect the Australian failsafers who find and read my blog. They have been diagnosed by hospital doctors and are following the correct treatment for food chemical intolerance in the failsafe diet. I will not be a conduit for these people to become influenced by WAPF&#039;s false promises and pseudoscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Porter</p>
<p>I do agree that WAPF has done good work. If I did not believe that WAPF did good I never would have become a member.</p>
<p>Unfortunately WAPF are actively promoting harmful treatments like GAPS/SCD for individuals who have food chemical intolerance (i.e. people with ADHD and autism), and I cannot with conscience remain with the organisation.</p>
<p>I had hoped that by trying to spread the word to WAPF about food chemical intolerance, they would be able to help a number of their members who joined WAPF after realising their condition had something to do with food but didn&#8217;t quite understand the cause of their problems.</p>
<p>However, despite learning about food chemical intolerance, Sally decided to go in the exact opposite direction and promote a very high chemical diet as a &#8220;cure&#8221; for these people, and it is making them very sick. I know, I&#8217;ve been there. When I was most influenced by WAPF I was on a diet virtually identical to GAPS and I have never felt worse.</p>
<p>As WAPF have chosen to take this approach I feel I now have to protect the Australian failsafers who find and read my blog. They have been diagnosed by hospital doctors and are following the correct treatment for food chemical intolerance in the failsafe diet. I will not be a conduit for these people to become influenced by WAPF&#8217;s false promises and pseudoscience.</p>
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		<title>By: Alien Robot Girl</title>
		<link>http://blog.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/2008/07/01/support-forums-and-netiquette/#comment-535</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Elena

Sorry you had to go through another change at uni, though I think you are so intelligent it is definitely worth you doing something more technical like biochem rather than nutrition. I think if all else fails you could try computer programming, you will definitely be surrounded by 100% geek!

I hope I didn&#039;t imply by omission that I was underwhelmed by anything you&#039;ve said on FailsafeNT. Your posts are always interesting, technical, logical, informative, etc, and always add to our knowledge rather than detract. You should definitely start a blog! I am often wrong too and have to rethink things. I must have deleted over 100 blog posts from the last couple of years because they are misleading in some way. You just have to keep thinking, keep revising, keep refining, and not be ashamed of it. You wouldn&#039;t be a scientist if you never changed your opinion on anything. :)

I don&#039;t want to lose contact either - I&#039;ll still keep writing my blog, and when I have a bit more time I may start posting things on http://community.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Elena</p>
<p>Sorry you had to go through another change at uni, though I think you are so intelligent it is definitely worth you doing something more technical like biochem rather than nutrition. I think if all else fails you could try computer programming, you will definitely be surrounded by 100% geek!</p>
<p>I hope I didn&#8217;t imply by omission that I was underwhelmed by anything you&#8217;ve said on FailsafeNT. Your posts are always interesting, technical, logical, informative, etc, and always add to our knowledge rather than detract. You should definitely start a blog! I am often wrong too and have to rethink things. I must have deleted over 100 blog posts from the last couple of years because they are misleading in some way. You just have to keep thinking, keep revising, keep refining, and not be ashamed of it. You wouldn&#8217;t be a scientist if you never changed your opinion on anything. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to lose contact either &#8211; I&#8217;ll still keep writing my blog, and when I have a bit more time I may start posting things on <a href="http://community.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info" rel="nofollow">http://community.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: tbonetroy</title>
		<link>http://blog.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/2008/07/01/support-forums-and-netiquette/#comment-533</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. I have the same feelings as you regarding WAPF. Sometimes I think they are being influenced by the multi-billion dollar chemical corporations...the past couple years they have had some very fishy articles. Some of the articles they came out with want people to believe that the problem they are having is all in there head...and that is causing your second brain(you gut) problems...or along these lines...not taking into consideration that it could be food chemicals, chemicals in products(natural and unatural), plastic, or amines. 

i think you have a great blog! I don&#039;t have any of these food chemical sensitivity problems, but i am well aware of them thanks to you! I can steer people in the right direction when they do not know what is burdening them. I have pointed alot of my friends to your blog, and they feel like they have finally found someone who really understands. 

thanks again, keep posting. You, chris, and Peter are awesome!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. I have the same feelings as you regarding WAPF. Sometimes I think they are being influenced by the multi-billion dollar chemical corporations&#8230;the past couple years they have had some very fishy articles. Some of the articles they came out with want people to believe that the problem they are having is all in there head&#8230;and that is causing your second brain(you gut) problems&#8230;or along these lines&#8230;not taking into consideration that it could be food chemicals, chemicals in products(natural and unatural), plastic, or amines. </p>
<p>i think you have a great blog! I don&#8217;t have any of these food chemical sensitivity problems, but i am well aware of them thanks to you! I can steer people in the right direction when they do not know what is burdening them. I have pointed alot of my friends to your blog, and they feel like they have finally found someone who really understands. </p>
<p>thanks again, keep posting. You, chris, and Peter are awesome!</p>
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		<title>By: porterowen</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I greatly appreciate your blog.  It has helped me a lot in my thinking about health.  I am a member of WAPF and I am sorry that some of its members or philosophy are so contrary to what you are doing with the Failsafe work.  I find that from most people or organizations with a message I get some essential truth about the world that they are trying to convey even if I do not believe all or even much of what they have to say.  I believe that WAPF has done much good in promoting animal fats, small grass based producers, raw milk, and in general a less industrialized way of eating.  This has important political ramifications that I approve of as well health considerations.  I would rather see a world of many small producers of food than a world of a few big boys like Archer Daniels Midland even if ADM did every thing right from a health perspective.  

The information of Chris Masterjohn as well as some others of WAPF I believe to be of the highest quality and WAPF is the forum that made that possible.  I think a better question to ask yourself, is would the world be better off if WAPF did not exist, even though you do not agree with some of its statements or members.  To me, WAPF&#039;s principal object is the raising of health children and to do that you do need the fat soluble activators that Weston Price talked about and a restriction on the refined carbohydrates.  I view your goal as helping people with food intolerance problems, which is a different emphasis though frequently important in the raising of healthy children.

I believe in evolution and that science is a way of learning about the world.  I think that in principal everything can be explained.  However not all is known yet and so the question becomes how do you make decisions on limited knowledge.  Most people start off doing what they learn while they are growing up, from their family, TV, etc.  When they have some health problem, then they go to the official people in charge of health problems, which are doctors and ask for help.  I am in the US.  Here, what that means is drug them.  You never hear boo about what you eat or that your activities are important to your health and if you do, it is all a bunch of low fat nonsense.  They do not know what Vitamin D3 or K2 are and they never say anything about sugar or in deed about the food intolerances that you talk about.  90% of the doctors that I have had dealings with are owned lock, stock and barrel by the pharmaceutical companies.  WAPF is looking for a different way and their touchstone is traditional diets.  If it was not for WAPF I would not have hunted down real butter or started making bone broths.  Different people have different challeges and WAPF has expanded the non pharmaceutical range of options that help many people though not all their information will help all people.  

So I wish that you would maintain your connection with WAPF but state to people that you deal that there is a caveat in that some of WAPF&#039;s teachings may not be good for people with special challeges.  For most people WAPF is are helping to create a better world.

Porter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I greatly appreciate your blog.  It has helped me a lot in my thinking about health.  I am a member of WAPF and I am sorry that some of its members or philosophy are so contrary to what you are doing with the Failsafe work.  I find that from most people or organizations with a message I get some essential truth about the world that they are trying to convey even if I do not believe all or even much of what they have to say.  I believe that WAPF has done much good in promoting animal fats, small grass based producers, raw milk, and in general a less industrialized way of eating.  This has important political ramifications that I approve of as well health considerations.  I would rather see a world of many small producers of food than a world of a few big boys like Archer Daniels Midland even if ADM did every thing right from a health perspective.  </p>
<p>The information of Chris Masterjohn as well as some others of WAPF I believe to be of the highest quality and WAPF is the forum that made that possible.  I think a better question to ask yourself, is would the world be better off if WAPF did not exist, even though you do not agree with some of its statements or members.  To me, WAPF&#8217;s principal object is the raising of health children and to do that you do need the fat soluble activators that Weston Price talked about and a restriction on the refined carbohydrates.  I view your goal as helping people with food intolerance problems, which is a different emphasis though frequently important in the raising of healthy children.</p>
<p>I believe in evolution and that science is a way of learning about the world.  I think that in principal everything can be explained.  However not all is known yet and so the question becomes how do you make decisions on limited knowledge.  Most people start off doing what they learn while they are growing up, from their family, TV, etc.  When they have some health problem, then they go to the official people in charge of health problems, which are doctors and ask for help.  I am in the US.  Here, what that means is drug them.  You never hear boo about what you eat or that your activities are important to your health and if you do, it is all a bunch of low fat nonsense.  They do not know what Vitamin D3 or K2 are and they never say anything about sugar or in deed about the food intolerances that you talk about.  90% of the doctors that I have had dealings with are owned lock, stock and barrel by the pharmaceutical companies.  WAPF is looking for a different way and their touchstone is traditional diets.  If it was not for WAPF I would not have hunted down real butter or started making bone broths.  Different people have different challeges and WAPF has expanded the non pharmaceutical range of options that help many people though not all their information will help all people.  </p>
<p>So I wish that you would maintain your connection with WAPF but state to people that you deal that there is a caveat in that some of WAPF&#8217;s teachings may not be good for people with special challeges.  For most people WAPF is are helping to create a better world.</p>
<p>Porter</p>
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		<title>By: piratehyde</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 16:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel really very happy for you. I&#039;m actually sick to death of nutrition, diets, genetics, chemicals and desperately want to think about something else. And yet I just don&#039;t stop because i&#039;m not happy with the way I feel and so it just goes on and on. I recently changed my degree (to biochem) to take off some of my stress and stop trying to appear NT all the time. I am finding being around people (especially young girls) at university almost too unbearable.

FailsafeNT is the only internet thing I do though so at least I don&#039;t have the pressure you do. I try to be open minded about everything that is said because I&#039;ve had to recognise I was wrong about a few theories several times. I need to stop writing crap about things I have discovered only to find they backfire a couple of weeks later, that is a terrible habit of mine. This is probably why I should not start a blog.

Aww, I don&#039;t want to loose contact, it really helps knowing there is somebody going through similar things as I do, I suppose you will keep writing your blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel really very happy for you. I&#8217;m actually sick to death of nutrition, diets, genetics, chemicals and desperately want to think about something else. And yet I just don&#8217;t stop because i&#8217;m not happy with the way I feel and so it just goes on and on. I recently changed my degree (to biochem) to take off some of my stress and stop trying to appear NT all the time. I am finding being around people (especially young girls) at university almost too unbearable.</p>
<p>FailsafeNT is the only internet thing I do though so at least I don&#8217;t have the pressure you do. I try to be open minded about everything that is said because I&#8217;ve had to recognise I was wrong about a few theories several times. I need to stop writing crap about things I have discovered only to find they backfire a couple of weeks later, that is a terrible habit of mine. This is probably why I should not start a blog.</p>
<p>Aww, I don&#8217;t want to loose contact, it really helps knowing there is somebody going through similar things as I do, I suppose you will keep writing your blog?</p>
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